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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS                                                                          
                       February 22, 2006                                                                                        
                           9:09 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bruce Weyhrauch, Chair                                                                                           
Representative Norman Rokeberg                                                                                                  
Representative Ralph Samuels                                                                                                    
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 418                                                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to a  mining production  tax; relating  to the                                                               
mining  license   tax;  relating   to  production   royalties  on                                                               
minerals;   relating  to   exploration  incentive   credits;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 418                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MINING PROD. & LICENSE TAXES/ROYALTIES                                                                             
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) SEATON                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
02/01/06       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/01/06       (H)       W&M, RES, FIN                                                                                          
02/22/06       (H)       W&M AT 9:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
IAN LAING, Staff                                                                                                                
to Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Elaborated on the figures and tables from                                                                  
the Fraser Institute study.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BRUCE WEYHRAUCH called the  House Special Committee on Ways                                                             
and  Means  meeting to  order  at  9:09:15 AM.    Representatives                                                             
Weyhrauch, Rokeberg, Samuels, Seaton,  and Wilson were present at                                                               
the call to  order.  Representative Moses arrived  as the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 418-MINING PROD. & LICENSE TAXES/ROYALTIES                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:09:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH announced  that the only order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO. 418, "An  Act relating to a  mining production                                                               
tax; relating to  the mining license tax;  relating to production                                                               
royalties   on  minerals;   relating  to   exploration  incentive                                                               
credits; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:09:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON informed the committee  that this bill is a                                                               
result  of   Article  VIII,  Section   2  of  the   Alaska  State                                                               
Constitution,  which reads  as follows:   "The  legislature shall                                                               
provide  for the  utilization, development,  and conservation  of                                                               
all natural resources belonging to  the State, including land and                                                               
waters,  for the  maximum benefit  of its  people."   He remarked                                                               
that  this bill  fulfills this  duty by  considering a  3 percent                                                               
production tax  on all mine  products.   He added that  this bill                                                               
will result in more parity  between the different segments of the                                                               
[mining] industry,  and it replaces  the existing  mining license                                                               
tax, which is  a net tax, with  one that is a  net smelter return                                                               
(NSR).  He noted  that it's not referred to as  NSR in this bill,                                                               
but  for mine  minerals, it's  the equivalent.   From  [Alaska's]                                                               
gross tax,  the production and  the transportation  smelting fees                                                               
are subtracted.   He  stated that it's  the value  established at                                                               
the end  of the  smelter because it's  difficult to  establish an                                                               
ore value as it comes out  of the ground because that's generally                                                               
not the first point of sale.   Furthermore, the bill ensures that                                                               
the Department of Revenue (DOR) is  able to ensure that these are                                                               
"arm length" transactions in order  that there isn't shuffling of                                                               
resources  and income.   He  further noted  that this  bill moves                                                               
away from  the problem of  being able to  shift net income  to an                                                               
"untaxable"  body.   He  referred  to  four  tables which  are  a                                                               
condensed  version of  the legislative  research report  that was                                                               
completed on June  28, 2005.  Table one is  entitled, "Percent of                                                               
Resource Production  Value Paid to State  and Municipalities from                                                               
Oil  and Gas,  Mining  and Fishing  Industries, FY  03  - 05  (in                                                               
$Million)."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:13 a.m. to 9:16 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  again referred  to table one  and directed                                                               
the committee's attention  to the "% Value to State"  column.  He                                                               
noted that for  the oil and gas industry, it  was 18.8 percent in                                                               
2003, 20.2 percent in 2004, and  22.1 percent in 2005.  In regard                                                               
to the mining industry, he noted  that between 2000 and 2004, the                                                               
percentages ranged from  .5 percent to .8 percent.   In regard to                                                               
the  fishing industry,  he further  noted that  between 2003  and                                                               
2005, the  percentages ranged  from 2.5  percent to  2.9 percent.                                                               
He turned  to the "%  Value to Municipalities" column  and stated                                                               
that the percentage was approximately  2 percent from the oil and                                                               
gas  industry,  1  percent  from the  mining  industry,  and  2.5                                                               
percent from the  fishing industry.  He stated that  the "% Value                                                               
Total"  was  approximately  22  percent  from  the  oil  and  gas                                                               
industry,  1.5/1.6  percent  from  the  mining  industry,  and  5                                                               
percent from the fishing industry.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:18:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG, in  regard to tables 3 and  4 and fiscal                                                               
year  (FY) 2004,  inquired as  to whether  the $29,462,779  total                                                               
from  the  fishing industry  on  table  3  is separate  from  the                                                               
$29,027,456 total from the fishing industry on table 4.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON confirmed that the totals are separate.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG surmised that  the $29,462,779 total from                                                               
the fishing industry on table 3  goes into the State general fund                                                               
(GF)  and the  $29,027,456  total from  the  fishing industry  on                                                               
table 4 is distributed to the municipalities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  confirmed that Representative  Rokeberg is                                                               
correct and added that most of  that comes from the raw fish tax,                                                               
which is basically  3 percent of the gross value  of the produced                                                               
fish.   He further added that  it's 5 percent of  the gross value                                                               
of the  produced fish if it's  done on a "floater"  rather than a                                                               
shore-based  plant.   That amount  of tax  is then  split equally                                                               
between   municipalities,   or   the  Department   of   Commerce,                                                               
Community,  &  Economic  Development (DCCED)  distributes  it  to                                                               
communities and half of it is kept by the state.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:19:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG, in regard  to the mining industry, noted                                                               
that in  FY04, $8.8 million went  to the State and  $10.9 million                                                               
went  to municipalities.   He  expressed his  confusion regarding                                                               
these numbers and the percentages from table 1.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:19:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON replied  that the  State and  municipality                                                               
don't split  the taxes  from mining.   The  municipality acquires                                                               
the  mining tax.   He  referred  to table  3 and  noted that  the                                                               
mining industry is  comprised of various taxes.   The majority of                                                               
municipality  revenue comes  from  property  taxes and  severance                                                               
taxes from some boroughs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG surmised,  "The state  governmental take                                                               
is about  60/40 to  the municipalities for  mining and  50/50 for                                                               
fishing."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  confirmed that Representative  Rokeberg is                                                               
correct  and added  that there  is a  lot more  municipality take                                                               
that doesn't appear  in this table.  When  [Legislative Legal and                                                               
Research Services]  constructed this table, it  forgot to include                                                               
the  fishing  industry's local  property  taxes  as well  as  the                                                               
vessel license  fees, which cost up  to $900 per vessel  and will                                                               
increase  to $3,000  in  the  future.   In  addition, this  table                                                               
doesn't include the  permit fees.  He noted that  the majority of                                                               
the State  revenue from the  mining industry comes  from property                                                               
taxes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:22:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG  suggested  that  Representative  Seaton                                                               
examine  the amount  of GF  State money  invested in  the fishing                                                               
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  remarked that  [the legislature]  needs to                                                               
examine the different resources in Alaska and how they compare.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:23:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH surmised that this  isn't the "universe" of other                                                               
taxes in  the state.   He  further surmised  that there's  also a                                                               
timber tax, which is related to a severance tax.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  responded  that  he  didn't  examine  the                                                               
timber  industry.    He  noted that  there  has  been  discussion                                                               
regarding  the appropriate  tax level  for the  fishing industry.                                                               
He further  noted the consideration  of 3-5 percent of  the gross                                                               
"ex-vessel"  price,  which is  a  produced  resource price.    He                                                               
relayed  that  fishermen would  love  to  pay  on their  net  tax                                                               
because  they  would  never  have  to pay  any  taxes,  which  is                                                               
basically what's  happening in the  mining industry.   The mining                                                               
industry is paying on a net  tax, which allows for cost shifting,                                                               
which changes the net and whether taxes need to be paid.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:25:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON clarified  that he's  not saying  that the                                                               
mining industry is doing something  wrong.  He mentioned that the                                                               
legislature designed the  tax system and it  expects the industry                                                               
to  abide by  it.   He said  that the  legislature set  up a  tax                                                               
system  that only  returned .6  percent  to the  State and  there                                                               
isn't  blame  on the  mining  industry  for  abiding by  the  tax                                                               
structure.  He  remarked that it's essential  for the legislature                                                               
to be  informed as to the  basic justification and equity  of the                                                               
tax structure  and how it  compares globally before  changing it.                                                               
He referred  to a table  entitled "Significant Taxes  in Selected                                                               
Jurisdictions" and  directed the committee's attention  to Alaska                                                               
and Alaska  proposed, which is  under the  proposed HB 418.   The                                                               
corporate  income tax  would  remain the  same  and the  royalty,                                                               
instead of  3-7 percent  of net  profits, would  be 3  percent of                                                               
gross  sales,  which  is  equivalent   to  NSR.    The  costs  of                                                               
transportation  and  smeltering  are subtracted  from  the  gross                                                               
sales.  In response to Chair  Weyhrauch, he noted that the source                                                               
of the data is the Fraser Institute.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:27:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  noted  that  Argentina  has  a  corporate                                                               
[income] tax  rate of 35 percent  and its royalty is  a 3 percent                                                               
NSR.    Argentina  also  has  a  value  added  [tax  on  imported                                                               
equipment], a  dividend withholding  tax of  0-35 percent,  and a                                                               
interest withholding  tax of  15[.05] percent,  or 35  percent on                                                               
"intercompany"  loans.   He  stated that  Alaska  doesn't have  a                                                               
mechanism  to  prevent  tax  shifting.   He  further  noted  that                                                               
Australia has a 30 percent  corporate [income] tax rate, compared                                                               
to Alaska's  9.4 percent above  $90,000.  Australia's  royalty is                                                               
1.25-7.5  percent  NSR and  it  also  has dividend  and  interest                                                               
withholding taxes.   Botswana has  a 25 percent  corporate income                                                               
tax and its royalty  is 15 percent NSR.  Brazil  has a 33 percent                                                               
corporate income tax and its royalty  is 3 percent of gross sales                                                               
of gold.   He relayed that  there have been comments  that Alaska                                                               
would be  out of  the mainstream if  it were taxing  on NSR  or a                                                               
gross amount of  the tax.  He  further noted that China  has a 33                                                               
percent corporate  [income] tax and  its royalty is 2  percent of                                                               
the  gross revenue,  which is  more than  NSR.   He characterized                                                               
South Africa as interesting because it's highly mineralized.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH, in  regard to policy framework  for existing tax                                                               
policy  on  mining,  commented  that  Alaska's  policies,  on  an                                                               
international basis, encourage investment.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:31:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
IAN  LAING, Staff  to Representative  Paul  Seaton, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, relayed  that various  sources were used  to produce                                                               
the tables.   Primarily, a book compiled by James  Otto, a mining                                                               
tax specialist from  the Colorado School of Mines, was  used.  In                                                               
addition,  sources  were  used to  accommodate  for  more  recent                                                               
changes  in tax  structure.   For example,  there have  been more                                                               
recent  efforts  in Peru  and  South  Africa  to change  the  tax                                                               
structure to something that's more equitable (indisc).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON pointed  out that  the aforementioned  are                                                               
included in the footnotes on page  4 and that he added Alaska and                                                               
Alaska (proposed).   He  informed the  committee that  the Fraser                                                               
Institute is a Canadian  socioeconomic organization that conducts                                                               
a  survey  amongst all  of  the  mining  companies.   The  mining                                                               
companies   rate   the   various   countries   based   on   their                                                               
attractiveness  to  conduct business  as  well  as their  mineral                                                               
potential.  He noted that the data is from the 2004/2005 study.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS commented that  the problem with comparing                                                               
a state to  a country is that the federal  income tax affects the                                                               
rankings.  He  said, "It's a huge component.   It's another 35/40                                                               
percent."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:34:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON responded that  [the federal income tax] is                                                               
not included in  his calculations.  He questioned  whether NSR is                                                               
reasonable.  He noted that he also has state comparisons.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS  expressed his  interest in  comparing the                                                               
total government take.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAING clarified that [the  total government take] is included                                                               
in the investment attractiveness index.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:35:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  mentioned  that  for  Alaska  and  Alaska                                                               
(proposed), he  would be  able to  include [the  total government                                                               
take].   He  explained that  there is  a net  island royalty  for                                                               
Greens Creek  Mine because it's  within the U.S.  Forest Service.                                                               
Greens Creek  Mine's president testified  that it has yet  to pay                                                               
on the net  island royalty.  Therefore, the  government take from                                                               
Greens Creek Mine has been zero.   He acknowledged that there's a                                                               
corporate tax difference.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS surmised that  [Greens Creek Mine] escaped                                                               
the  local tax,  but  not the  federal tax.    He reiterated  his                                                               
interest  in  the  total  government take  -  local,  state,  and                                                               
federal  -  in  order  that  comparisons can  be  made  to  other                                                               
countries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  replied that he  would be able  to include                                                               
the  corporate income  tax.   He acknowledged  the difficulty  in                                                               
determining the  individually negotiated  deals on  federal land.                                                               
He  said that  he would  also able  to investigate  import/export                                                               
duty for comparison.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:39:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  directed the committee's attention  to the                                                               
Fraser  Institute  study.    He referred  to  figure  1,  "Policy                                                               
Potential Index"  and noted  that Alaska  is in  the middle.   He                                                               
referred  to  figure 2,  "Current  Mineral  Potential -  Assuming                                                               
Current Regulations/Land Use Restrictions"  and noted that Alaska                                                               
is toward the  bottom.  He referred to figure  3, "Best Practices                                                               
Mineral Potential  - Assuming No  Land Use Restrictions  in Place                                                               
and Assuming  Industry 'Best Practices'" and  clarified that best                                                               
practices  means  very  little   regulation  -  environmental  or                                                               
taxation.   He  noted  that Alaska  is ranked  number  3, so  its                                                               
mineral potential is  very high if it assumes  the same structure                                                               
across everything.   He referred to figure  17, "Composite Policy                                                               
and Mineral Potential" and noted that Alaska is ranked number 6.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:41:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON asked,  "With  our policies  and with  our                                                               
potential, why  don't we  see more?   Just  because of  the areas                                                               
that are way  out in the middle of nowhere  and things like that?                                                               
We should see a lot more going on then, shouldn't we?"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  answered that there  is a lot going  on in                                                               
Pebble, Donlan  Creek, Fort Knox, and  Red Dog, for example.   He                                                               
relayed  that [Alaska]  has a  fairly strict  regulatory process.                                                               
In regard to regulations, Alaska is  "down at the bottom," and in                                                               
regard to mineral  potential, Alaska is "way up at  the top."  He                                                               
noted  that Alaska  is ranked  number 6  in composite  policy and                                                               
mineral potential.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:43:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON agreed  that there  is a  lot going  on in                                                               
Alaska.   Considering that Alaska  is ranked number 6,  she said,                                                               
"I still  feel like  we should  be seeing more.   Because  of our                                                               
environmental regulations, that's probably  the main thing that's                                                               
holding back right now."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  responded   that  it's   not  just   the                                                               
environmental   regulations;   it's  also   Alaska's   permitting                                                               
regulations, tax  structure, the Department of  Natural Resources                                                               
(DNR), and the federal government.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:44:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAING mentioned  that the 64 selected  regions are considered                                                               
to be  the most attractive  to mineral  investors.  In  regard to                                                               
the investment expenditures in Alaska,  he stated that last year,                                                               
$70 million  dollars was  spent on  exploration and  $209 million                                                               
was  spent on  development.   The aforementioned  is part  of the                                                               
$1.6 billion that is spent in  the mining industry in Alaska.  He                                                               
stated that  in the  search for a  more equitable  tax structure,                                                               
Alaska  has to  be able  to continue  to attract  investors.   He                                                               
relayed that "money executives" are  hesitant to invest in Alaska                                                               
because of environmental  regulations, regulatory duplication and                                                               
inconsistencies,  and infrastructure,  which is  often in  remote                                                               
locations.   The aforementioned have  tended to keep  Alaska from                                                               
the very top of that list.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON referred  to figure  8, "Taxation  Regime"                                                               
and noted  that Alaska is  "way up there at  the top."   He added                                                               
that [the  taxation regime]  is low in  the "Strong  deterrent to                                                               
investment"  category.    He  referred  to  table  A6,  "Taxation                                                               
Regime" and  noted that 12  percent of the respondents  said that                                                               
Alaska's  taxation regime  encourages investment  and 62  percent                                                               
said that it's not a deterrent to investment.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:48:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROKEBERG noted  that  Pogo is  the  only mine  to                                                               
begin production  in the last  12 years.   He further  noted that                                                               
the legislature  passed an  exploration credit  tax, which  is in                                                               
repeal by this bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:50:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON discussed  Section 1  and the  legislative                                                               
intent  of the  bill.   Section  5 is  amended to  read that  the                                                               
production royalty  is 3 percent of  gross value at the  point of                                                               
production.  Section  7 is amended to read  that the commissioner                                                               
shall,  upon  request, furnish  to  DNR  copies of  tax  returns,                                                               
reports, and documents  filed.  Section 12 reads  that the mining                                                               
production tax after December 31,  2006 starts at 0.6 percent and                                                               
increases to 3  percent by [2010].  He clarified  that the tax is                                                               
on  NSR on  minerals.    He noted  that  this  bill also  exempts                                                               
taxation on  the first $50,000 from  the point of sale.   Section                                                               
43.66 provides  for the deferment  of the production tax  for the                                                               
first three  years, except  for the  production of  sand, gravel,                                                               
coal, or rock.  He stated  that for mineral production, which has                                                               
a high capital  expenditure, there would be a  deferment of those                                                               
taxes.   Gross value at production  is defined as well  as how to                                                               
get there  with NSR.  This  bill authorizes DOR to  reject values                                                               
that  don't appear  to be  "arm length,"  determined by  the fair                                                               
market  value.   He informed  the committee  that there  are also                                                               
provisions  for  determining   reasonable  transportation  costs,                                                               
which  allow the  department to  not accept  them if  they're not                                                               
reasonable, and  requires that  the tax be  paid before  April of                                                               
the  following year.   Section  43.66.160  exempts an  individual                                                               
from being  required to file  taxes if his/her total  gross value                                                               
of production  is less  than $10,000.   Currently, there's  a law                                                               
that  requires everyone  who mines  minerals to  file taxes.   He                                                               
noted  that a  number of  people are  violating the  law and  not                                                               
filing tax returns, and this  bill actually exempts them in order                                                               
that  someone earning  under  $10,000 is  not  required to  file.                                                               
Those  that  earn under  $50,000  are  not  required to  pay  tax                                                               
because there's  that $50,000  tax exemption.   He  further noted                                                               
that  affiliated  taxpayers  are  required  to  file  a  combined                                                               
statement.  He remarked that  a number of these provisions ensure                                                               
that  there isn't  tax shifting.   He  summarized that  this bill                                                               
changes the net  tax to a production tax, which  is basically NSR                                                               
with a schedule for implementing that.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH  requested,  "Unless  those  statutes  that  are                                                               
repealed in Section 15 are  just sort of ministerial clean-up, if                                                               
they're  substantive  repealers,  could  we  see  what  is  being                                                               
repealed under Section 15?"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON obliged  and added  that it's  mostly that                                                               
the net mining tax was repealed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:55:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH inquired  as to  which  statute the  exploration                                                               
credit tax is in and requested a copy of that statute.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON   referred  to  the  [handout]   from  DOR                                                               
regarding ounces of  gold, silver, lead, zinc,  sand, gravel, and                                                               
the  proposed  tax  on  the   gross  value.    She  asked,  "What                                                               
difference is it from now compared to what your bill would be?"                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:56:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH announced  that the  committee would  adjourn at                                                               
10:00  a.m.   and  gave  Representative  Seaton   the  option  of                                                               
answering Representative Wilson's question on Friday.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON opted  to  answer Representative  Wilson's                                                               
question on Friday.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:56:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Ways and  Means meeting  was adjourned  at                                                               
9:56 a.m.                                                                                                                       

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